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Mikala Jamison's avatar

I love the way you frame parenthood (as someone for whom it may be imminent, but who is also very scared): "But this is the thing – as a parent, you facilitate the joy of others."

I actually feel it's part of my identity to facilitate others' joy. I love creating situations and opportunities for people to enjoy themselves and have a good time. This line makes me feel warm and fuzzy at the idea of doing that for my own children.

Lovely piece.

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Hannah M's avatar

This is interesting. Without casting any judgment on your particular friend - my first thought was: isn’t it also rather boring to insist that the same form of fun of 20 years ago should be the best way to relax now? Twenty years ago, we didn’t get hangovers for three days afterwards. We were unlikely to have jobs with a lot of responsibility, or sometimes even jobs that we cared for a great deal. And, yes, no children or other personal responsibilities. (I don’t want to suggest that only people with children stop wanting to get pissed.)

I came to children very late (aged 41) but long before I had my son, I had moved through the need for Big Nights Out as a means of relaxing.

As you describe, I used to drink far too much, often for very self destructive reasons. Then the hanganxiety, my god. I was so drunk at my own 37th birthday (had just heard that an ex had a baby, ended up sitting alone in a bar with a bottle of champagne when all of my friends were late...) that I had to be helped into a taxi at 10pm. Three days of headaches and self loathing later, I was done. It wasn’t fun. It was self harming.

But the wider point about what fun or an escape means when there are so many responsibilities is a different one. Having a weekend away means arranging childcare (even if you’re lucky and have brilliant grandparents/nanny/etc) holiday cover, clearing one’s desk, and so much admin - it’s double the work of an ordinary weekend.

I’m starting to think that the small children years simply isn’t the season for fun (in the carefree sense). But it’s not for long. It’s about 4 or 5 years, maybe longer if you have more children, but not forever. Then suddenly they will be 10, 14, 17.... and start to go to sleepovers and on trips away and you can be hungover and hedonistic for days without them knowing. If you want. If that’s still what feels good.

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